Sunday, April 14, 2024

January 6 Insurrection Failed: If it Succeeded How Would SCOTUS Rule Now

 

What if this happened before EC certification
(Why not ask Joseph Fischer)

Wow – talk about legal hanky-panky – the article below outlines a case now before the U.S. Supreme Court that could impact other or now pending January 6 cases. What do I mean? 

I mean the slick legal mumbo jumbo of the wording of the case by slick lawyers for the January 6 defendants and in some cases those already convicted and in jail as well the case pending against Trump could go bye-bye. The case now in question seen in this NBC News article below (formatted to fit the blog):

“Supreme Court tackles January 6 obstruction charge with Trump case looming”

WASHINGTON — In the weeks before the January 6, 2021, attack on the National Capitol, Joseph Fischer wrote a text message talking about his desire: To take Democratic members of Congress to the gallows” as he predicted politicians would be dragged out of the Capitol and hung after a mob trial, that according to the government. 

Fischer, then a police officer in PA, wrote in a message on December 16, 2020, authorities report:Can’t vote if they can’t breathe, lol.”

Fischer subsequently joined the mob on January 6 in a bid to block Trump’s 2020 electoral defeat. He now faces seven criminal charges, one of which is the focus of a Supreme Court case ready for argument. Fischer is asking the court to throw out one charge he’s facing:Obstruction of an official proceeding.”

But, and it’s not just that Fischer charge that hangs in the balance. Trump has been charged with violating the same law, as well as a conspiracy provision. The Supreme Court ruling could affect his prosecution too.

Federal authorities say on January 6, Fischer joined the crowd breaching the Capitol from the east side. All this from him on that day as he pushed forward toward the police yelling as he and other rioters then fell to the ground.

After other rioters lifted Fischer, video disclosed as evidence in other January 6 trial shows that he tried to appeal to officers protecting the Capitol, telling them that he was an officer too, as a video appears to show Fischer saying that day. 

After an officer tells Fischer to turn around and leave, he appears to appeal to the officer to stand with them “as a patriot.” 

Fischer then yells that included: Charge! Motherf-----s! It’s our f------ house, brother! Take a knee! Take a knee!”

Fischer, who is yet to go to trial, also faces charges for assaulting a police officer and entering a restricted building, among others. Those charges will not be affected by how the court rules on the obstruction count.

Trump has cited the Fischer case, including in his most recent filing at the Supreme Court concerning his bid to obtain presidential absolute immunity for his actions seeking to overturn the election results. 

Oral arguments in that case take place on April 25.

In Fischer’s case, the law at issue is from U.S. Code,Title 18, Section 1512 (c) (2), which criminalizes any effort to “corruptly obstruct, influence or impede any official proceeding.”

Conviction can result in a prison sentence of up to 20 years. The government now says about 330 other January 6 defendants have been charged with violating that same law.

Now, Republicans including Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR) and Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH), filed a brief in Fischer’s case saying: “The DOJ is using the law as an all-purpose weapon against perceived political opponents.”

(My insert: From those two utter BS).

That law, enacted in 2002, was part of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act, a bill passed in the aftermath of the Enron accounting scandal.

As such, defendants say it was written to address evidence tampering and was never intended to apply to an incident such as January 6.

My FYI: We've never had an insurrection like this either.

Fischer’s lawyers argue that the provision is limited in scope to evidence tampering, pointing to language in another part of the statute referring to records and documents. It therefore should not apply to Fischer’s actions, such as the alleged assault of a police officer, etc.

Trump’s lawyers have made similar arguments that his alleged conduct is not covered by the obstruction law, saying in their brief in the immunity case that the statute:Is stretched far beyond its natural meaning when applied to Trump,” who is now facing four charges in total.

In describing Trump’s alleged criminal acts, the election interference indictment focuses on his broad scheme to stay in power by urging Congress to reject election certifications that confirmed Biden’s victory. Trump and his allies instead sought to submit substitute certifications crafted by what have been dubbed “fake electors.”

Prosecutors argue Trump’s actions fit within the statute because he made false statements to members of Congress and others and submitted false documents. 

Special Counsel Jack Smith, who is prosecuting Trump, said in his latest brief in that case that no matter how the court rules in the Fischer case: “The Section 1512 charges in this case are valid.”

That is because unlike in Fischer’s case, Trump’s prosecution does involve an alleged conspiracy to tamper with documents, namely the effort as Smith says: To use fraudulent electoral certifications rather than genuine ones during the congressional proceeding to certify the 2020 election outcome.” 

Smith also referenced the brief filed by Fischer’s lawyers in the case being argued.

They seek a narrow reading of the law that would ensure the charge against their client would be dismissed, but would appear to leave open the option of someone being prosecuted for “making false claims,” or for offering “false testimony.”

Richard Bernstein, a lawyer who filed a friend-of-the-court brief backing the government said:If the Supreme Court were to embrace that approach, Fischer could win, but Trump’s own charges could remain unaffected. All the parties in the Fischer case agree that the statute applies to submitting false statements and false documents. If the court agrees with that it doesn’t matter for Mr. Trump how they rule on Fischer’s particular case.”

Fritz Ulrich, a federal public defender who is one of Fischer’s lawyers, said the language cited by Smith was merely aimed at buttressing their argument limiting the scope of the statute, adding: “We have not been paying attention to the prosecution of the former president.” 

The original article continues from here:

My 2 Cents: As I noted above this is slick lawyering by the January 6 rioters. Will it work; will it influence SCOTUS to give them a pass; and then will it apply to Trump as well? 

Serious questions for the court for sure – but one thing remains perfectly clear, at east to me and hopefully for you, too: How could anyone not have watched the events of that horrible day on January 6 and saw the purpose as clear as day and that was:  To destroy anyone and anything that got in their way to reverse the outcome of that free, fair, safe, and secure election thus wiping out over 200 years of our democracy?

Fischer should not get a break via this loophole and neither should Trump. I conclude with this question for the court: “What if the January 6 insurrectionists had succeeded?”

With that question, please consider this analogy: A person shoots at you but misses and runs out of bullets then later tries to claim while in police custody: “Yeah, I shot at him, I didn’t kill anyone – I’m innocent. Release me.” 

Nope, sorry pal, no can do – attempted murder also is a crime

Thanks for stopping by. 


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